In our last post about the Holocaust denail confab in Iran, we asked whether the rumors are true that anti-Zionist writer Norman G. Finkelstein is participating. Alan “torture could be justified” Dershowitz explores the question on the ostensibly liberal Huffington Post blog:
A neo-Nazi website has published the schedule of speakers at the Iranian Holocaust denial conference. (His name was mysteriously removed from the schedule this morning.) Prominent among the speakers in the schedule was assistant professor Norman Finkelstein of DePaul University. His name appeared along with Professor David Duke of the Interregional Academy of Personnel Management in Ukraine and other assorted nuts, neo-Nazis, Islamo-fascists, and America- and Israel-bashers.
It is unclear whether Finkelstein actually attended the conference, since the identify of many of the attendees has been kept secret, and the media office at DePaul says it doesn’t know. But Finkelstein certainly fits comfortably into the hate club, since he has allied himself closely with the Holocaust denial movement by trivializing the suffering of its victims and denying that many of them were victims at all. It would be natural for the rulers of Iran to have invited this Jew-hater to their hatefest. I don’t know if they did, or if Finkelstein accepted any such invitation. But the burden is now on him to explain why his name appears in the schedule and to produce all correspondence with the sponsors of the conference. It should make interesting reading.
Yes, we have pointed out ourselves that Dersh is a moral monster, so please spare us tiresome shoot-the-messenger arguments. The point is that progressives in the West should be standing with the student protesters in Iran, not the monstrous Ahmadinejad and his charming buds like David Duke. This twisted reversal of progressive priorities only plays into the hands of the neocons who would seek to cultivate the protesters as imperial proxies—and gives the likes of Alan Dershowitz propaganda ammo on a silver platter.
Does anyone have more information to add?
See our last posts on Iran and Alan Dershowitz.
Here is what Finkelsetin
Here is what Finkelsetin was up to on Tuesday night:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/12/13/america/NA_GEN_US_Hamas_Trial.php
Why don’t you get off your high horse and show us who you are really standing with. People like you who resort to innuendo spread by known liars like Dershowitz are beneath contempt.
Thanks for the information…
…which I will post below. But so much for my pleas to spare us tiresome shoot-the-messger arguments. If my name had appeared on the schedule of a Holocaust-denial confab, I would want the matter openly aired. Especially if Alan Dershowitz were making hay of the matter. From AP, Dec. 12:
“Conference”
Looks like Dersh is a follower of the late British hack John Junor, who held to the maxim that “It is not libellous to ask a question”. By the way, I looked into some of the nutters at the “conference” in Iran here.
Why don’t you ask Finkelstein?
I have an idea, why don’t you ask Norman Finklestein about this? You could, for example, check what he says on his own weblog:
Dershowitz Continues to Bat 1000
I’m trying to figure out why you thought it was adviseable to ask this
question of the WBAI audience when you already knew the answer.
You’re trying to dismiss this as a “shoot the messenger” argument,
but that’s ridiculous: you’re repeating a smear from a dubious source,
and you *know* that it’s a dubious source. So what does that make
you?
If you’re new to this dispute, try doing a web search on
“Finklestein Dershowitz” to get an idea of what’s been going on
between them: Hint, Finklestein accused Dershowitz of plagarism, and
did a good job of documenting it.
You did it for me.
I didn’t know this response (which I will post below) existed until it was brought to my attention. Perhaps it wasn’t posted yet when I was searching around for a Finklestein response. I will say that sneering sarcasm is a singularly inappropriate reaction.
OK, Norman. How did your name wind up on the list? Or did Dersh just make it up? And if so, why don’t you raise this question, since “it is not libellous to ask a question.”
Forgive me for wanting information rather than condescension. Very old-fashioned, I know.
Finklestein was on the list.
I saw it myself, and the following was posted on Dersh’s Huffington Post piece, in the comments:
But, it is true that if you look at the Google website cache for the link that Dershowitz gave, Finkelstein was on the schedule one of the Q&A sessions…
14:00-17:00 – Aras Hall
THIRD SESSION: VIEWPOINTS ON HISTORIC APPROACHES
Chairman: Mr Torjanzadeh, Tajikistan
1. Patrick McNalley: University of Chuo, Japan
“A Philosopher looks at the Holocaust”
2. A Pengas: Senior Researcher, Greece
“The geopolitical environment of the Holocaust myth”
3. T Boshe: Senior Researcher, Jordan
“The Holocaust and history”
4. Norman Finkelstein: USA
– Q & A –
Why is the burden of proof on Finklestein?
“OK, Norman. How did your name wind up on the list? Or did Dersh just make it up?”
And have you stopped beating that McCarthyite in your closet yet?
Once again: look at the history of Dershowitz vs. Finklestein, you
might get an idea of why Finklestein has trouble taking this seriously.
Scholar Norman Finkelstein Calls Professor Alan Dershowitz’s New Book On Israel a “Hoax”:
Carried away with a hobby horse?
“I didn’t know this response (which I will post below) existed”
But you did know that Finklestein was in Chicago, I found that
posted here when you were still on the air — and you didn’t bother
to mention it on the air. You were too anxious to use Finklestein as
an example of left-wing anti-semitism without having any idea about
whether the accusation had any merit.
All irrelevant
It has been independently demonstrated here that his name did initially appear on the list of participants. I would like to know why. I don’t think that’s asking too much.
FInklestein explains what happened on Iranian TV
FInkelstein starting at about 3:20 why he turned down an invite to the conference, which he said was not a seriously scholarly conference, but a convention of the flat earth society. He debates with an Iranian denier and Lady Renouf, the British denier.
Finklestein explains what happened on Iranian TV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YemOW3lVoAI
Finklestien explains, starting after about 3:20, that he was invited but refused when it became clear the it was going to be a conference of the flat earth society, with no serious scholars of the subject invited.
The show is called “Forum,” a weekly current events chat show. It’s not clear what the station is called. Finklestein appears by phone. It’s not clear when the show actually aired, but it was posted to You Tube on Jan. 18
FInklestein explains what happened: transcription
“From the POV of a serious scholarly inquiry, it was not a serious conference. and i think people have to be honest about that. what does david duke know about the nazi holocaust? he’s not a scholar in the field. He’s not written anything on the subject.Now, I was approached early on to attend the conference. In order for me to attend, I said there’d have to be 3 conditions met. No. 1, I asked them for a list on invitees, to see if this was going to be a serious conflict, or whether it was going to be a circus. No. 2, I said, if I’m going to travel all the way to Iran to attend a conference on the Nazi Holocaust, I should be allocated a reasonable amount of time, to make a reasonable statement, a serious statement on the subject. and no 3 i said, if i’m coming to Iran, then let me speak at the university to students, [inaudible] to discuss the topic.
“Now unfortunately, we were in negotiations until the very end, but none of those conditions were met. and i had to conclude, if you dont want to tell me who’s invited, and you dont want to give me a respectable amount of time to speak, and if you dont let speak to students in the university, then this is not going to be a serious conference, it’s going to be a circus, and there’s no point in me attending. “
Palestinian militant disses Holocaust denial
Not a bad explanation. But why is Finklestein stooping to “debate” deniers? Mahmoud Al-Safadi of the PFLP (!) is far more forthright in this open letter to Ahmadinejad. From Monthly Review, Dec. 14: